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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 04:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After less than 200 rounds with My P226R made in 2009 bought new last month..The Extractor and pin and spring fell out at range i could not find them on the floor at all and my sig was jammed up very bad requiring me to strip the magazine out and pull the empty case out of the chamber with my fingernail..

very strange..It was federal american eagle ammo 124gr FMJ the preferred range ammo i use in my 9mm&#039;s 

Sig says this only happens with faulty ammo..I am sure the ammo was fine no case failure..

Anyone know if this is common now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After less than 200 rounds with My P226R made in 2009 bought new last month..The Extractor and pin and spring fell out at range i could not find them on the floor at all and my sig was jammed up very bad requiring me to strip the magazine out and pull the empty case out of the chamber with my fingernail..</p>
<p>very strange..It was federal american eagle ammo 124gr FMJ the preferred range ammo i use in my 9mm&#8217;s </p>
<p>Sig says this only happens with faulty ammo..I am sure the ammo was fine no case failure..</p>
<p>Anyone know if this is common now?</p>
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		<title>By: ToddG</title>
		<link>http://pistol-training.com/archives/1210/comment-page-1#comment-4977</link>
		<dc:creator>ToddG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 16:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tam -- Good point and something I always forget. There are still folks who have the older (2-piece, carbon) slide on their P226. For those guns, the ones that don&#039;t have &quot;stainless&quot; engraved on the slide somewhere, you should replace the dual rolls pins in the slide every &lt;strong&gt;5,000&lt;/strong&gt; rounds instead of every 10,000. Otherwise, you can break your block or, more commonly, get cracked frame rails.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tam &#8212; Good point and something I always forget. There are still folks who have the older (2-piece, carbon) slide on their P226. For those guns, the ones that don&#8217;t have &#8220;stainless&#8221; engraved on the slide somewhere, you should replace the dual rolls pins in the slide every <strong>5,000</strong> rounds instead of every 10,000. Otherwise, you can break your block or, more commonly, get cracked frame rails.</p>
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		<title>By: Tam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 16:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...because when the roll pin in the breechblock starts to go, the breechblock will then bend like a cracked carbon steel banana, causing a bad case of &quot;gun no worky&quot;. (cf. our rental 228...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;because when the roll pin in the breechblock starts to go, the breechblock will then bend like a cracked carbon steel banana, causing a bad case of &#8220;gun no worky&#8221;. (cf. our rental 228&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: ToddG</title>
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		<dc:creator>ToddG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 14:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JLM -- Replace the recoil spring every 5,000 rounds. Replace all springs and pins (except firing &quot;pin&quot;) every 10,000 rounds. Replace takedown lever, extractor, and safety lever (which is a little internal part) at 20,000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JLM &#8212; Replace the recoil spring every 5,000 rounds. Replace all springs and pins (except firing &#8220;pin&#8221;) every 10,000 rounds. Replace takedown lever, extractor, and safety lever (which is a little internal part) at 20,000.</p>
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		<title>By: JLM</title>
		<link>http://pistol-training.com/archives/1210/comment-page-1#comment-4967</link>
		<dc:creator>JLM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 06:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Necropost sorry Todd,

Do you have a recommended PM schedule for the 226?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Necropost sorry Todd,</p>
<p>Do you have a recommended PM schedule for the 226?</p>
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		<title>By: MHCPD</title>
		<link>http://pistol-training.com/archives/1210/comment-page-1#comment-1695</link>
		<dc:creator>MHCPD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Feb 2009 06:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a big fan of shooting every gun until failure to determine where that point occurs.  Basically, once you find that point you can not nitpick over the BS 50-200rds here or there and overclean your gun.  Todd has the right approach and obviously someone else is footing the ammo bill, which is even better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a big fan of shooting every gun until failure to determine where that point occurs.  Basically, once you find that point you can not nitpick over the BS 50-200rds here or there and overclean your gun.  Todd has the right approach and obviously someone else is footing the ammo bill, which is even better.</p>
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		<title>By: ToddG</title>
		<link>http://pistol-training.com/archives/1210/comment-page-1#comment-1692</link>
		<dc:creator>ToddG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mort -- Very true. That gun was sort of a test bed for me, a few times I shot the gun to failure which is why I mentioned the lack of maintenance. I think a gun that starts to have a stoppage or two after 4,000 rounds without cleaning is still doing pretty well. But given my training schedule, one that &lt;em&gt;doesn&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; have stoppages after 4,000 rounds is even better. 8)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mort &#8212; Very true. That gun was sort of a test bed for me, a few times I shot the gun to failure which is why I mentioned the lack of maintenance. I think a gun that starts to have a stoppage or two after 4,000 rounds without cleaning is still doing pretty well. But given my training schedule, one that <em>doesn&#8217;t</em> have stoppages after 4,000 rounds is even better. <img src='http://pistol-training.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mort</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait a minute, in the origional post you say that half of the stoppages were due to maintainence. Wouldn&#039;t regular (think more than every 4-5 thousand rounds) cleaning be a key part of maintainence?
I would suggest that you didn&#039;t clean often enough to ensure reliability...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait a minute, in the origional post you say that half of the stoppages were due to maintainence. Wouldn&#8217;t regular (think more than every 4-5 thousand rounds) cleaning be a key part of maintainence?<br />
I would suggest that you didn&#8217;t clean often enough to ensure reliability&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: S Vega</title>
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		<dc:creator>S Vega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great info Todd, thanks, just put 60 rounds thru my new P 229 R Elite 9mm, everything went fine, nice and tight groups at 6 and at 12 meters,  the good friend who sold it to me only shot around 1000 rounds with the gun, I know it will take time but  just to be prepared if it ever... what will happen if one day the takedown lever breaks? will that happen after a round is shot, or I will find out that is broke when I clean it? Im happy with my new gun, but still feel more comfortable concelead carry with my M&amp;P 9c... thanks again Todd, have a good weekend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great info Todd, thanks, just put 60 rounds thru my new P 229 R Elite 9mm, everything went fine, nice and tight groups at 6 and at 12 meters,  the good friend who sold it to me only shot around 1000 rounds with the gun, I know it will take time but  just to be prepared if it ever&#8230; what will happen if one day the takedown lever breaks? will that happen after a round is shot, or I will find out that is broke when I clean it? Im happy with my new gun, but still feel more comfortable concelead carry with my M&amp;P 9c&#8230; thanks again Todd, have a good weekend.</p>
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		<title>By: ToddG</title>
		<link>http://pistol-training.com/archives/1210/comment-page-1#comment-1683</link>
		<dc:creator>ToddG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MHCPD -- I think the stainless/solid slides are a better design, especially in terms of major component durability. The &quot;teething problems&quot; we are seeing with current production SIGs has nothing to do with the design. It has everything to do with changes in the company&#039;s parts sourcing &amp; quality control processes.

Mort -- I keep them clean enough to run reliably. What more do yo need? 8)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MHCPD &#8212; I think the stainless/solid slides are a better design, especially in terms of major component durability. The &#8220;teething problems&#8221; we are seeing with current production SIGs has nothing to do with the design. It has everything to do with changes in the company&#8217;s parts sourcing &#038; quality control processes.</p>
<p>Mort &#8212; I keep them clean enough to run reliably. What more do yo need? <img src='http://pistol-training.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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