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		<title>By: John Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Recommend that you shoot an &quot;informal&quot; classifier using appendix w/ cover, and let us know what the times were for comparison purposes.  I don&#039;t know about anybody else, but I&#039;m personally not as concerned w/ you meeting the technical IDPA classifier requirements as I am in seeing how the pistol performs in the same hands on the same course of fire as compared to a known quality and quantity, the M&amp;P.  If you shoot the classifier from cover, appendix or otherwise, I think it will be a fair enough comparison...not exact but fair.  Something like that would be a great way to compare the LEM trigger against a more traditional DAO trigger.  Just a thought...or two...:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Recommend that you shoot an &#8220;informal&#8221; classifier using appendix w/ cover, and let us know what the times were for comparison purposes.  I don&#8217;t know about anybody else, but I&#8217;m personally not as concerned w/ you meeting the technical IDPA classifier requirements as I am in seeing how the pistol performs in the same hands on the same course of fire as compared to a known quality and quantity, the M&amp;P.  If you shoot the classifier from cover, appendix or otherwise, I think it will be a fair enough comparison&#8230;not exact but fair.  Something like that would be a great way to compare the LEM trigger against a more traditional DAO trigger.  Just a thought&#8230;or two&#8230;:-)</p>
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		<title>By: ToddG</title>
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		<dc:creator>ToddG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 15:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>commandar -- When I was shooting SIGs (and it applies to some folks with the long HK P30 slide release, too) all I did was shift my right thumb outboard by half an inch. It still rests atop the slide of the palm/weak thumb.

John Taylor -- I may shoot the IDPA Classifier with it at some point, but it would still be somewhat apples to oranges because now I carry in an appendix holster (which isn&#039;t legal for IDPA).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>commandar &#8212; When I was shooting SIGs (and it applies to some folks with the long HK P30 slide release, too) all I did was shift my right thumb outboard by half an inch. It still rests atop the slide of the palm/weak thumb.</p>
<p>John Taylor &#8212; I may shoot the IDPA Classifier with it at some point, but it would still be somewhat apples to oranges because now I carry in an appendix holster (which isn&#8217;t legal for IDPA).</p>
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		<title>By: John Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 13:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd - still looking for a comparison of the P30 versus M&amp;P, ala me Rogers suggestion.  Do you have any plans to take the P30 out and shoot an IDPA qualifier with it?  Would like to see how it stacks up against your personal best M&amp;P qualifier time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd &#8211; still looking for a comparison of the P30 versus M&amp;P, ala me Rogers suggestion.  Do you have any plans to take the P30 out and shoot an IDPA qualifier with it?  Would like to see how it stacks up against your personal best M&amp;P qualifier time.</p>
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		<title>By: commandar</title>
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		<dc:creator>commandar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 01:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd,

I hate to keep hijacking these threads with Sig talk, but you keep bringing up things about the P30 that I&#039;m having issues with with the P226 and I figure you&#039;re a good one to ask having worked for Sig in the past. ;)

I&#039;m having issues with slide lock because the position of the slide release on the Sig is where I&#039;m used to resting my strong hand thumb on guns with frame mount safeties like the USP. I&#039;ve been told in the past to flag that thumb up on Sigs to avoid this, but I have such large hands that I&#039;m still bumping the release every 2 or 3 mags. I&#039;m considering just wrapping my stronghand thumb around the ball of my weakhand, but was wondering if you had any better suggestions.

Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd,</p>
<p>I hate to keep hijacking these threads with Sig talk, but you keep bringing up things about the P30 that I&#8217;m having issues with with the P226 and I figure you&#8217;re a good one to ask having worked for Sig in the past. <img src='http://pistol-training.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m having issues with slide lock because the position of the slide release on the Sig is where I&#8217;m used to resting my strong hand thumb on guns with frame mount safeties like the USP. I&#8217;ve been told in the past to flag that thumb up on Sigs to avoid this, but I have such large hands that I&#8217;m still bumping the release every 2 or 3 mags. I&#8217;m considering just wrapping my stronghand thumb around the ball of my weakhand, but was wondering if you had any better suggestions.</p>
<p>Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: John Frazer</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Frazer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 23:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotcha, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotcha, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: ToddG</title>
		<link>http://pistol-training.com/archives/1531/comment-page-1#comment-2045</link>
		<dc:creator>ToddG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 14:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John -- From &lt;strong&gt;Week One&lt;/strong&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;We did have one bobble with the Blazer. The P30 manual clearly states that aluminum and steel case ammunition should not be used. True to their word, a combination of inadvertent thumb pressure on the slide and the not-recommended ammunition led to a double feed. I was able to reproduce the problem with that ammo only so long as I pressed against the slide. While it’s certainly unfortunate that the P30 is incompatible with such a common practice load, because the ammo was not within the P30’s specifications we’re not counting it against the gun.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John &#8212; From <strong>Week One</strong>:</p>
<blockquote><p>We did have one bobble with the Blazer. The P30 manual clearly states that aluminum and steel case ammunition should not be used. True to their word, a combination of inadvertent thumb pressure on the slide and the not-recommended ammunition led to a double feed. I was able to reproduce the problem with that ammo only so long as I pressed against the slide. While it’s certainly unfortunate that the P30 is incompatible with such a common practice load, because the ammo was not within the P30’s specifications we’re not counting it against the gun.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: John Frazer</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Frazer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 12:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd,

Maybe I&#039;m dense but I&#039;m not sure I get this:

&quot;With regards to the Blazer, what we’re learning is that if you keep the gun (and especially the chamber) clean, the gun will eat the aluminum-cased ammo without any problem. But if you are somewhat lackadaisical about your cleaning regimen, brass-cased ammo is the surer bet.&quot;

Are you talking about the P30, or about pistols in general? If you haven&#039;t had any stoppages, how would you know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd,</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m dense but I&#8217;m not sure I get this:</p>
<p>&#8220;With regards to the Blazer, what we’re learning is that if you keep the gun (and especially the chamber) clean, the gun will eat the aluminum-cased ammo without any problem. But if you are somewhat lackadaisical about your cleaning regimen, brass-cased ammo is the surer bet.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you talking about the P30, or about pistols in general? If you haven&#8217;t had any stoppages, how would you know?</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Slemp</title>
		<link>http://pistol-training.com/archives/1531/comment-page-1#comment-2043</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Slemp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 15:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very classy, Todd.  Letting the pistol take credit for reigning victorious over the Glock shooters.  Truly a humble reversal of what we all know to be true - it&#039;s the indian, not the arrow.  Well done.

I look forward to your P30 update threads.  Please don&#039;t be tardy again, lest I go into mental atrophy.  :D

Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very classy, Todd.  Letting the pistol take credit for reigning victorious over the Glock shooters.  Truly a humble reversal of what we all know to be true &#8211; it&#8217;s the indian, not the arrow.  Well done.</p>
<p>I look forward to your P30 update threads.  Please don&#8217;t be tardy again, lest I go into mental atrophy.  <img src='http://pistol-training.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Tim</p>
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		<title>By: Gtmtnbiker98</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gtmtnbiker98</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 13:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice write up, I am going to try the large side panel insert as well, since my thumbs forward grip interferes with the slide stop as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice write up, I am going to try the large side panel insert as well, since my thumbs forward grip interferes with the slide stop as well.</p>
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