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		<title>By: Garry M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garry M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use muzzle up mostly. That has a lot to do with everyone in my house that I&#039;m worried about getting shot is at my waist and below.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use muzzle up mostly. That has a lot to do with everyone in my house that I&#8217;m worried about getting shot is at my waist and below.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony B</title>
		<link>http://pistol-training.com/archives/1629/comment-page-1#comment-2242</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To add on to Haji&#039;s post...

I have trained with Tactical Response.  Another reason for the muzzle up scan, is to keep the training consistent.  The muzzle is up, and the gun in front of the face, during reloads and malfunction clearances to enable the shooter to keep his eyes on the target but also be able to see the gun to expedite loading and clearing the mafunction.  The rifles are treated the same way.  It all leads to consistency.  

Like Haji said, it&#039;s a way, not the way, to do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To add on to Haji&#8217;s post&#8230;</p>
<p>I have trained with Tactical Response.  Another reason for the muzzle up scan, is to keep the training consistent.  The muzzle is up, and the gun in front of the face, during reloads and malfunction clearances to enable the shooter to keep his eyes on the target but also be able to see the gun to expedite loading and clearing the mafunction.  The rifles are treated the same way.  It all leads to consistency.  </p>
<p>Like Haji said, it&#8217;s a way, not the way, to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrel F.</title>
		<link>http://pistol-training.com/archives/1629/comment-page-1#comment-2238</link>
		<dc:creator>Darrel F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks,</description>
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		<title>By: Haji</title>
		<link>http://pistol-training.com/archives/1629/comment-page-1#comment-2236</link>
		<dc:creator>Haji</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Does anyone know why Tactical Response teaches to do the 360 scan with muzzle up rather than position sol?&quot;

I&#039;ve never trained with TR, so take this as the second hand info that it is, having had it explained to me by guys who have trained there. The reason to point it up is that there&#039;s less chance of flagging anything with a muzzle. There&#039;s other shooters, feet, marmosets, and protected dirt on the ground. It&#039;s a calculated risk, I suppose, but I&#039;d rather have somebody launch one straight up than into my foot because they were checking their six and not watching their muzzle. That said, the guys I shoot with (considerably better and more experienced shooters than the average) don&#039;t flag anybody when their eyes are looking somewhere other than the direction of the muzzle. It&#039;s a way. I&#039;m not down with it, but it&#039;s a way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Does anyone know why Tactical Response teaches to do the 360 scan with muzzle up rather than position sol?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never trained with TR, so take this as the second hand info that it is, having had it explained to me by guys who have trained there. The reason to point it up is that there&#8217;s less chance of flagging anything with a muzzle. There&#8217;s other shooters, feet, marmosets, and protected dirt on the ground. It&#8217;s a calculated risk, I suppose, but I&#8217;d rather have somebody launch one straight up than into my foot because they were checking their six and not watching their muzzle. That said, the guys I shoot with (considerably better and more experienced shooters than the average) don&#8217;t flag anybody when their eyes are looking somewhere other than the direction of the muzzle. It&#8217;s a way. I&#8217;m not down with it, but it&#8217;s a way.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony B</title>
		<link>http://pistol-training.com/archives/1629/comment-page-1#comment-2234</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darrel F.

Go ask at GetOffTheX.com. They&#039;ll tell you why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darrel F.</p>
<p>Go ask at GetOffTheX.com. They&#8217;ll tell you why.</p>
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		<title>By: sirhcton</title>
		<link>http://pistol-training.com/archives/1629/comment-page-1#comment-2220</link>
		<dc:creator>sirhcton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Video is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY0ueR-AEw4.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Video is at <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY0ueR-AEw4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY0ueR-AEw4</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: sirhcton</title>
		<link>http://pistol-training.com/archives/1629/comment-page-1#comment-2219</link>
		<dc:creator>sirhcton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 01:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Video is available at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY0ueR-AEw4.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Video is available at <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY0ueR-AEw4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY0ueR-AEw4</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Darrel F.</title>
		<link>http://pistol-training.com/archives/1629/comment-page-1#comment-2217</link>
		<dc:creator>Darrel F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Video appears to have been pulled.  Does anyone know why Tactical Response teaches to do the 360 scan with muzzle up rather than position sol?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Video appears to have been pulled.  Does anyone know why Tactical Response teaches to do the 360 scan with muzzle up rather than position sol?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://pistol-training.com/archives/1629/comment-page-1#comment-2216</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw this video when it first &quot;hit the fan&quot; and renew my objection to any live fire training that includes humans ahead of the muzzle.  This is what SIMS/force on force training should do for us.

If you need to &quot;hear&quot; the sounds of bullets whizzing by, pull butts on a .mil rifle range.  

The mass acceptance of the photographer downrange by those taking the course is the key problem to mixing &quot;blind&quot; following with live fire exercises.  Justifications like &quot;a stellar safety record&quot; and &quot;no student objected&quot; are logical fallacies (actual email responses to those questioning the practice).

To justify a range practice because there has never been a problem with the practice is short sighted.  I can justify not wearing a seat belt because I have never been in an accident right up until the time that I am forcefully exiting the car through the windshield.  Then it&#039;s game over just as it will be when someone catches a bullet &quot;during a class&quot;.

Hopefully this video will mark the last time this (or any) group puts anyone ahead of live fire in a training course.

Jason</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw this video when it first &#8220;hit the fan&#8221; and renew my objection to any live fire training that includes humans ahead of the muzzle.  This is what SIMS/force on force training should do for us.</p>
<p>If you need to &#8220;hear&#8221; the sounds of bullets whizzing by, pull butts on a .mil rifle range.  </p>
<p>The mass acceptance of the photographer downrange by those taking the course is the key problem to mixing &#8220;blind&#8221; following with live fire exercises.  Justifications like &#8220;a stellar safety record&#8221; and &#8220;no student objected&#8221; are logical fallacies (actual email responses to those questioning the practice).</p>
<p>To justify a range practice because there has never been a problem with the practice is short sighted.  I can justify not wearing a seat belt because I have never been in an accident right up until the time that I am forcefully exiting the car through the windshield.  Then it&#8217;s game over just as it will be when someone catches a bullet &#8220;during a class&#8221;.</p>
<p>Hopefully this video will mark the last time this (or any) group puts anyone ahead of live fire in a training course.</p>
<p>Jason</p>
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		<title>By: DerekC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DerekC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even as a basic guy (read, joe blow civilian) I&#039;ve been to several coursers of instruction where the instructor felt comfortable enough give a taste of a 360degree range with his students.  There are drills that we did that involved people down range, shooting inbetween others that were moving, and so on.

BUT, to simply sit down there and take pictures for the sake of taking pictures, and then to turn around and let a video LEAK it to the ErrorNet. 

Damn, thats double stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even as a basic guy (read, joe blow civilian) I&#8217;ve been to several coursers of instruction where the instructor felt comfortable enough give a taste of a 360degree range with his students.  There are drills that we did that involved people down range, shooting inbetween others that were moving, and so on.</p>
<p>BUT, to simply sit down there and take pictures for the sake of taking pictures, and then to turn around and let a video LEAK it to the ErrorNet. </p>
<p>Damn, thats double stupid.</p>
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