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Job Satisfaction: I Have It

23-Jun-09 – 14:59 by ToddG

Words cannot describe …

I think we’re ready to test that P30 now.

Train hard & stay safe! ToddG

28 Responses to “Job Satisfaction: I Have It”
Good Gawd!

By gtmtnbiker98 on Jun 23, 2009
Now I know why there is an ammunition shortage…ToddG has it all!

By Brett on Jun 23, 2009
I hate you.

By tydephan on Jun 23, 2009
You guys act like you’ve never seen 50,000 rounds of ammo on the floor of someone’s den before!

By ToddG on Jun 23, 2009
I’m looking at Liechtenstein’s GDP.

By jim on Jun 23, 2009
“Now I know why there is an ammunition shortage…ToddG has it all!” let the truth be known

What a beautiful picture !
The only way I’ll ever see that much ammo will be in my dreams. lol

By Papershooter on Jun 23, 2009
you suck…..I have been waiting on 500rds of .40 for 2 months on back order. I want your job soooooo bad.

By Regularguy on Jun 23, 2009
That’s alot of coin…. I wonder if you would tell us WHO paid for that stash????

By Stephen on Jun 23, 2009
Stephen — HK provides the ammo for the test.

By ToddG on Jun 23, 2009
hmm I thought you were using a different ammo, not Federal

By Rob E on Jun 24, 2009
Something doesn’t feel right when I look at that picture. I don’t know if it’s jealousy or covetousness, or possibly something wrong with the ammo industry.

Why is it so hard for so many people to get a few boxes of ammo for self-defense, but 50k rounds can be put on your doorstep just to test a gun?

Something is wrong with the current market and I don’t know what it is.

God Bless,
David

By David B. on Jun 24, 2009
Rob E — The ammo did not arrive in time for the beginning of the test, so up until now it’s been using a variety of different brands. Atlanta Arms & Ammo has provided a big chunk of what we’ve needed and more of the test may be done with their ammo, too.

David B — Like any customer of the ammo company, I placed an order and waited in line for it to be delivered. It’s not any of the ammo company’s business — nor anyone else’s — whether I’m buying that ammo for personal use, a test, or to sell to others. I’ll shoot all of that ammunition over the next six months.

The only thing “wrong” with the current market is that a lot of paranoid people have been tricked into hoarding five, ten, maybe a hundred times more ammo than they will actually shoot. The ammo manufacturers cannot keep up with that demand but they’re smart enough to realize that it won’t last and thus doesn’t justify large capital outlays for new equipment, etc.

By ToddG on Jun 24, 2009
ToddG, Well answered on all points. However, I have a question that I REALLY hope doesn’t sound “negative” to you. That is NOT the tone of this post at all….. In short, how in the world do you OBJECTIVELY test a weapon whose manufacturer is dropping tens of thousands of dollars on your doorstep. Could you really give a gun a “ripping” review if it deserved it? I am genuinely curious. I know that ultimately it comes down to integrity, but one of the reasons I’ve loved this site has been the objectivity, vs. the sales based gun magazines…. Perfect example is the review of the Rohrbaugh R9. Dead honest. I own an R9 and pistoltraining.com was the ONLY review I’ve ever read that told the whole story….. Would hate to ever see that compromised.
Thanks

By Stephen on Jun 24, 2009
B T W ! ! !

I am also NOT saying I disagree with the manufacturer providing the ammo. I would certainly never expect an individual to spend that kind of money on a trial. I suppose that if the companies didn’t purchase for the tests, we would NEVER get this kind of torture test review on ANY weapon.
(Just for Clarity )

By Stephen on Jun 24, 2009
Stephen — No worries, perfectly legitimate question.

I guess my answer re: objectivity would be pretty simple. Search this site for pictures of a cracked M&P slide; I posted those because they happened with a test gun even though I not only got ammo from S&W, but was negotiating with them on the hopefully-soon-to-be-here pistol-training.com Edition M&P9.

Or check out last week’s P30 Thursday report, where I said the gun was having so many problems it needed to go back to the manufacturer.

I think it’s pretty clear we’re providing objective evaluations and not hiding or sugar-coating problems when they crop up.

edited to add: Which, by the way, is one of the things the manufacturer is told very clearly before the beginning of the test. We will report what happens, good bad or indifferent. We’ll always give the manufacturer an opportunity to respond, explain, and/or repair but if something goes wrong, it gets reported.

By ToddG on Jun 24, 2009
ToddG,
Your track record does indeed speak for itself. Good to know there is a “pre-statement” to the manufacturer.
Thanks!

By Stephen on Jun 24, 2009
it would be tempting to act shifty, sweat a lot and develop a violent twitch when the UPS / FedEx person delivers it.

By David on Jun 24, 2009
yeah one thing you can always count on is Todd being honest, brutally honest. I know, I’ve been on the receiving end of it……….”Dude, you own a Desert Eagle in .50AE?……”

lol

By Rob E on Jun 24, 2009
This is the newly appointed Ammo Tsar: I need your stash.

By Ray on Jun 24, 2009
Hello Todd,
From the looks of it, there appears to be at least two different type of ammo pictured. I can’t quite make out what they are… Would you be so kind as to tell us all as to what you’ll be shooting for the next few months!!! :-):D

By Kevin Orcutt on Jun 24, 2009
Todd,I have absolutely no problems with your objectivity having seen your “transparency” with the M&P Torture Test.
My only negative comment is that I hate you for having all that ammo..I’m the one who should have it.(Insert smilies here)

By The Fish on Jun 25, 2009
So he posts this picture here for us all to salivate over, then teases us with the same picture at M4C.

Todd, you are a bad, bad man.

By JayBob on Jun 25, 2009
Kevin — It’s 2,000 rounds of 124gr +p HST (P9HST3) and 48,000 rounds of American Eagle 115gr FMJ (FAAE9DP).

By ToddG on Jun 25, 2009
You bastard. [In a friendly way of course.]

By aczarnowski on Jun 26, 2009
To those that may suggest impropriety in the fact that a manufacturer gives Todd a gun and ammo to test it, this is no different than an automaker submitting a vehicle to “Car and Driver” for their testing and approval and springing for the gas. I’m not so certain about most print gun magazines. It’s hard to tell where the ads end and the articles begin.

Pistol-Training.com is an independent tester and has proven itself by shooting the M&P until it broke. While I’m sure S&W is thrilled with the results, it could have easily gone the other way.

I’m glad to see PT.com doing the H&K test as well. It goes to show that the M&P test was not a Smith and Wesson publicity stunt and that H&K has confidence in their product no matter what the results are.

Todd’s torture tests go to show that even with moderate use, it doesn’t take long for the cost of the ammo going through the gun to quickly exceed it’s cost by several factors. Which begs the question, why does anyone ever choose a gun because it’s “cheap”?

By Kyle on Jun 26, 2009
Geez, and I was excited when I finally got my hands on 200 rounds of HST 124gr +P. The two boxes I still have sitting on my desk here look awful lonely now.

By commandar on Jun 29, 2009
so there is 50,000 rounds there. does that mean you are going to start the test all over from the beginning when you get the pistol back? or with a different pistol?

By Rob E on Jun 29, 2009
Rob E – No, it just means we started the test before the ammo was available. So some of the ammo came from my personal supply and some came from the great folks at Atlanta Arms & Ammo.

By ToddG on Jun 30, 2009

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