Comments on: Navy Goes HK

By: David

David — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 06:52:54 +0000

“handguns are ‘sidearms’”

“The MK23 is not. It is an ‘offensive handgun.’”

so basically it’s a handgun and handguns are sidearms therefore it is a sidearm?

By: jmack

jmack — Wed, 17 Feb 2010 01:52:19 +0000

Just to clarify, handguns are “sidearms.”

The MK23 is not. It is an “offensive handgun.” In other words, it is used as the main weapon for certain operations such as stealthy assaults.

I hope that makes as much sense as it does to me.

By: ToddG

ToddG — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 19:53:16 +0000

As Sean said, anyone can be anyone on the internet. For the sake of pistol-training.com readers, though, I can personally vouch for both Sean and Dr. Armstrong in terms of their first-hand experience with US .mil training.

By: Rob Engh

Rob Engh — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 07:13:22 +0000

I think it was my cousin’s cat actually

By: Sean

Sean — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 05:54:16 +0000

It was pretty much a given that those statements were pure garbage, which is probably why there were no responses for several days. Let’s not get too wrapped up over the fact that someone is using the anonymity of the internet to elevate their status in their mythical world.

Besides, bad information is all over the internet in regards to this stuff. Everyone has a friend whose cousin knew a guy whose dog was once in SOCOM and told him first hand that they used poisoned darts launched from submarines. Come to think of it, the gun magazines are not much better.

By: Liberty1979

Liberty1979 — Mon, 08 Feb 2010 00:47:22 +0000

Actually…. 45s were in common use by delta yes…. but certain teams in SOCCOM generally speaking used 9mm…. just a heads up… There is nothing wrong with this round. Its just effective. And hell suppressed its quieter too…. yes the 45 makes for the most powerful suppressed round…. but thats not the point…

By: David Armstrong

David Armstrong — Sat, 06 Feb 2010 23:30:59 +0000

Sort of strange. I’ve dealt with military folks for decades, and outside of the internet environment I’ve yet to meet one who complained much about the 5.56 or the 9mm not working for them in the field. I’ve also known a number of SF folks who, like James, carry the M9 or the M11 regularly

By: James Bailey

James Bailey — Fri, 05 Feb 2010 06:04:37 +0000

WTF exactly is a trooper? I call bullshit. We (ussocom) carry the M9 with the occasional M11.

By: LTC Bastard Six

LTC Bastard Six — Mon, 01 Feb 2010 11:51:57 +0000

Having over 32 yrs in Army Spec Ops, 7th SFGA, USASOC, JSOC, etc. I can say with certainty that we (Army) used Sig’s, H&K’s, FNH, all in .45ACP. Maybe we played with a 10mm & even Guncrafter’s .50GI, But we didn’t go anywhere with the Beretta 92FS, (NO THANK YOU FOR MUCH. To Your 9mm, .40S&W. .223/5.56.) Give me a .338 Lapua, a .308 WIN, or 6.8SPC and I’m a happy hunter) H&K has always low bid under Sig Sauer. Now H&K makes a fine handgun & Great assault rifles. But I like my Sig handgun’s better. The Fed’s need to stop hopping in and out of bed with whomever is giving them a discount this quarter for a contract, and stay with a good reliable system, so all troopers can learn to utilize each other’s weapons platforms. Let’s get a contract for H&K Assault Rifles for all of the troopers or even FNH, so that Navy, Coast Guard, Marines, Air Force and Army personnel train with and use the best battle rifles in the world.. and finally get rid of the Mattel Toy and it’s .22 cal bullet..
Bastard 6 —OUT.
LTC E.J.P. sends.

By: P30man

P30man — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 05:25:41 +0000

Its too bad–now HK will probably raise the price to over 1k–oh wait they already did that.

Next all the seal wannabe fanboys will clear the shelves.

Now that the snarkies are out of the way I must say I thought this was the best compromise in a duty 45. The ergos are very nice for a non 1911 45. The mag release rocks. Cross between P2000 and HK45. Basically an evolution of the USP/P2000 ergos in a 45 package. That said it still has that HK trigger–grrrrr. The only knock is the limited round capacity–so they threw that massive extension on.

I couldnt justify the expense of $1300 for the whole platform (w/mags, holster). Glock can deliver in the 30 for nearly half the price.