| 43,693 rounds | 8 stoppages (+1 w/non-LCI extractor) |
0 malfunctions | 1 parts breakages |
Quite a few rounds went downrange over the past week with four separate trips to the range.
Before the last range session, I swapped out my Trijicon HD sights for a set of Warren/Sevigny 2-dot. I repainted the white ring around the front tritium dot in orange for a bit more visibility and hit the range. Over the past few weeks I’ve been feeling that both my maximum slowfire accuracy as well as my serious accuracy at speed on low probability targets were suffering a bit due to the Trij HD’s wide front sight.
It’s too early to tell for sure, but if yesterday was any indication, the Warren sights were no help. For example, on a particular walkback drill you can compare my results from Monday (Trij HD) and Friday (Warren):
| position | Trij HD | Warren |
| 2H | 16yd | 11yd |
| SHO | 10yd | 5yd |
| WHO | 15yd | 9yd |
I also tried Dot Torture, which was the pistol-forum.com Drill of the Week. Monday at seven yards with the Trijicon sights I scored a perfect 50. Friday I moved it out to 8yd with the Warrens and scored a 45. I was actually hoping the Warren sights would help me reclaim the glory of Week 5: HK45 Test when I scored a perfect 50 at 10yd. No such luck.
One thing the Warren sights are doing, however, is showing me just how bad my trigger pull is. Even after more than seven months, I’m still struggling with the Glock trigger compared to the HK LEM system. It’s particularly noticeable on the press-out. Hopefully, sooner rather than later there will be a decent “3.5#” connector for the gen4 guns that can be mated with a NY1 trigger spring for more of a rolling break. While the dot connector is a tremendous improvement over either the standard gen3 connector or the minus gen3 connector, it puts almost all of the pull weight at the actual break. I’m almost to the point of buying a bunch of aftermarket 3.5 connectors to see if any of them will give me the trigger pull I want in a gen4 pistol with a NY1 trigger spring.
Having said that, I’m not writing the Warren sights off quite yet. I’ll give it a few weeks of dedicated practice before I make a final decision about whether they’re helping or hampering my overall shooting.
Train hard & stay safe! ToddG
Previous Glock 17 gen4 Endurance Test posts at pistol-training.com:
- Week 30
- Week 29
- Week 28
- Week 27
- Week 26
- Week 25
- Week 24
- Week 23
- Week 22
- Week 21
- Week 20
- Week 19
- Week 18
- 25,000 Rounds with the G17 gen4
- Week 17
- Week 15
- Week 13
- Week 12
- Week 11
- Week 10
- Week 9
- Week 8
- Week 6
- Week 5
- Week 4
- Week 3
- Week 2
- Week 1
- 99.8%
- It Lives
- Week Zero
- When Will It Stop?
- Announcement
Which version of the Warren sights are you using?
Did you get the .245″ front sight, or the standard .215″? If .215″, are you using a six o’clock hold?
Tried any of the glocktriggers.com or Vanek triggers? Opinions on either? Or is the issue that they don’t make a trigger for the Gen 4?
I’m still trying to work through the stock Gen 3 trigger in my 19 until I feel like I’ve “earned” a better trigger.
Looks like different ammo, too. Blame that!
This is a fun story to follow…but I’m dying of curiosity. Of the endurance tests you have done to date, inc. which pistol would you choose for a “can-buy-one-and-only-one-to-use-on-a-desert-island-inhabited-by-zombies?”
Ok, that sounded wierd, but I guess simply stated I’m asking whether you have an absolutely clear preference for one over all the others.
I own and have shot the **** out of both Glocks and M&Ps, but have no experience with HK. Seems to me like that is your gold standard, but I can’t find a post here where you compare them all side by side and pick a winner.
Thanks for such an informative website.
Todd-FWIW, I’ve been very satisfied with my Warren Tacticals on my G34-with the front sight’s rear face first painted with white Liquid Paper for a base coat (and to aid in removal if so desired at a later date)followed with a top coat of Testor’s Neon Green. The front sight really pops out with this treatment, and both coats are thin enough to still allow the serrations to be visible.
Of course, my totally non-scientifically quantified (but empirically derived) conclusion is that accurate shot-on-target placement is 75% trigger pull, 25% sight specific (assuming, of course, a semi-decent set of sights to begin with)
Best, Jon
If the thin front sight of the Warren is giving you trouble, you can always try an XS Big Dot with an Ameriglo I-Dot U notch rear.
(Or not…)
I have found that the Lone Wolf Dist new coated 3.5lb connector has given me that buttery smooth rolling-break in my gen4 G26 that I was looking for. Whatever coating LWD is using, it is ultra slick…..a DROP of slip 2K EWL and that thing is like butter on ice.
It’s a cheap $15 mod to try. I’ve put them in 3 gen4 G26’s so far with identical (favorable) results). They’re my 2011 X-mas gift item.
Hk is the gold standard
Jason — The sights are the Warren Sevigny Carry 2-dot.
JV — I have not measured, but I’m fairly certain they’re the 0.215 sights. I’m hitting maybe an inch or two high at 25yd.
rob — I’ve never installed a non-OEM connector in a Glock before. But per Deputy Bravo’s recommendation, I just ordered one of the Lone Wolf 3.5 connectors. We’ll see how that works out.
Mitchell — If I was going back to a wider front, I’d just stick with the Trijicon HD sights. They worked very well.
Billy Shears — That’s an easy question. I think the HK P30 LEM is hands down the best pistol I’ve ever used.
Any news about the Warren Tactical sights for HK P30, i cant find them at their web site.
Dawson Presision have startet to make sights for HK Pxx guns.
faksen — I haven’t heard anything out of Warren Tactical regarding the HK for more than a year.
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the LWD connector when you get it. Certainly would be a lower-cost solution than the $10+ trigger kits for the Glocks. I just have a hard time dumping 1/5-1/4 the cost of the base gun into a trigger assembly.