I heard about a guy who fired a Hi Point, which blew up. The shrapnel killed his whole family, the bullet ricocheted and killed his dog, and then sparks from the ricochet burned his house down, and then the shell casing landed on a voting machine and registered a vote for the political party he disagreed with. Yep, true story.
Sure, it’s easy to hate on hi-point but they do work pretty well. Some (although not many) decent people need a reliable pistol and simply can’t afford more than 200 bucks. What sub 200 dollar (brand new) pistol do you recommend?
As far as bottom of the barrel handguns go I’d take a Hi-point over a Jimemez/Bryco or any other cheap piece of crap. I want proof of any exploding Hi-points. There’s torture test videos on youtube of a c9 that are insane. Some tests involve barrel obstructions with over pressure ammo and still no hand grenade effect.
I’m not a hi-point advocate. I would rather carry almost anything else but honestly who here can say from experience that they are unreliable or unsafe?
I carry daily and train as much as I can afford to for all the obvious reasons but what I don’t do is fool myself into thinking that I’m some sort of “protector of the innocent” or any other lofty title… much less try to identify with some online community of ccw labels. If I ever have to use my pistol I will but I certainly don’t want to or hope to use it, which I feel some of the sheepdogs out there daydream about a little too much.
I feel like sometimes people want to fit into a group more than they want to genuinely improve their skill set.
But that’s the internet. And what do I know anyways?
You are more likely to being struck on the head by lightning every Friday at noon, then having to use your CCW firearm in self-defense. If that is the odds, shouldn’t we all be wearing hats equipped with lightning rods??
Glockshooter — Tom Givens makes a great point in his classes that we dramatically underestimate the likelihood of needing a gun for self defense. The fact that so few people go about armed skews the number. Every violent crime is an opportunity for a DGU.
The likelihood of being a victim of a violent crime is very dependent on where you live, where you go, who you associate with, and what you do. I am sure an actuary (risk assessment) would be able to determine when the lightning rod beanie would make more sense than a firearm, i.e., if one lives in Memphis, it would probably be prudent to CCW a bazooka.
“The likelihood of being a victim of a violent crime is very dependent on where you live, where you go, who you associate with, and what you do. I am sure an actuary (risk assessment) would be able to determine when the lightning rod beanie would make more sense than a firearm, i.e., if one lives in Memphis, it would probably be prudent to CCW a bazooka.”
Now Memphis has it’s good points; My Dad was typical Chicago ‘confiscate all the guns and crime will disappear’ until he was transferred to Memphis. Last time I visited as soon as we unpacked he took me to Rangemasters. Thanks Memphis!
I have decided there are three basic types of gunowners that come to my classes:
At the one end, there are the people who think like I do. These people would rather own one (or one hundred) good gun(s), with good balance, trigger, and accuracy, than two (or two hundred) mediocre guns. Whether they have $200 or $200,000 in their bank account, they have S&W, SIG, Beretta, Walther, Glock, Kimber, H&K, CZ, Colt, or other quality guns in their range bag, and often several. (One of these guys brought an FN 5.7, which startled me a little. He was just as surprised when I pulled out mine…)
In the middle are the people who, I suspect, think of guns like they think of restaurants or cars: They’d never pay all that money for a steak at Morton’s or a Lexus sedan when Ponderosa and Saturn are serviceable. These folks show up with Taurus guns a lot. I think these people are mistaken about their priorities, and that guns are unlike food or cars and are more like real estate, but I understand their thinking even if I disagree with it.
It’s the third group that baffles me.
For some reason, a fair number of otherwise normal people who can obviously afford decent clothes and vehicles (not to mention another $200 for CCW training and permit) own some truly awful weapons.
The generally accepted number in the gun industry, based on various surveys of gun-buyers over the years, is that on average, a handgun purchased in the United States will be fired less than 50 times. For every internet poster who own ten guns that have each been fired 1,000 times, there are dozens and dozens of people who walked into a gun shop, purchased a pistol and a box of ammo, and never once took that gun to a range. Those people, obviously, don’t read and post on forums and gun blogs.
Ask anyone who’s worked at a gun shop and I guarantee they’ve had customers complain about having to buy A WHOLE BOX of ammo when the gun only holds 15 (or 8, or whatever).
When I worked at SIG, there was serious discussion about producing a pistol that came PRE LOADED with 15rd in a non-removable mag. The gun could be made of very cheap material because it only had to survive 15 rounds of fire. It was rejected on technical capability grounds, not because there would be a lack of demand. 11:43 PM, January 19, 2011
One of the funniest Willy Wonka memes yet!
Hi-Point. Not even once.
Just wait ’till someone puts a HiPoint through a 2,000 round challenge without a hiccup… 😀
J.Ja
I heard about a guy who fired a Hi Point, which blew up. The shrapnel killed his whole family, the bullet ricocheted and killed his dog, and then sparks from the ricochet burned his house down, and then the shell casing landed on a voting machine and registered a vote for the political party he disagreed with. Yep, true story.
Condition 3, obviously.
There is a “Church of Hi-Point” right next to the shooting range I go to. It cracks me up every time I see it.
LMFAO @ cmoore. Now that’s a hell of a bad day.
This is awesome.
You all laugh but I’ve actually done this in real life.
I honestly don’t think it makes you a gear snob to ask people to use equipment that works.
Sure, it’s easy to hate on hi-point but they do work pretty well. Some (although not many) decent people need a reliable pistol and simply can’t afford more than 200 bucks. What sub 200 dollar (brand new) pistol do you recommend?
As far as bottom of the barrel handguns go I’d take a Hi-point over a Jimemez/Bryco or any other cheap piece of crap. I want proof of any exploding Hi-points. There’s torture test videos on youtube of a c9 that are insane. Some tests involve barrel obstructions with over pressure ammo and still no hand grenade effect.
I’m not a hi-point advocate. I would rather carry almost anything else but honestly who here can say from experience that they are unreliable or unsafe?
I do agree with Todd that the meme is funny and it made me laugh but more about the cliché of the “sheepdog” crowd than the low cost gear.
I carry daily and train as much as I can afford to for all the obvious reasons but what I don’t do is fool myself into thinking that I’m some sort of “protector of the innocent” or any other lofty title… much less try to identify with some online community of ccw labels. If I ever have to use my pistol I will but I certainly don’t want to or hope to use it, which I feel some of the sheepdogs out there daydream about a little too much.
I feel like sometimes people want to fit into a group more than they want to genuinely improve their skill set.
But that’s the internet. And what do I know anyways?
Too funny.
I once loaned my “High Dollar 1911” to a guy in a pistol class. His Hi-Point had decided to start burst firing with one squeeze of the trigger.
The 1911 fit fine in his nylon holster. No joke.
That should be … Sheep’S Dog!
;~)
You are more likely to being struck on the head by lightning every Friday at noon, then having to use your CCW firearm in self-defense. If that is the odds, shouldn’t we all be wearing hats equipped with lightning rods??
Glockshooter — Tom Givens makes a great point in his classes that we dramatically underestimate the likelihood of needing a gun for self defense. The fact that so few people go about armed skews the number. Every violent crime is an opportunity for a DGU.
The likelihood of being a victim of a violent crime is very dependent on where you live, where you go, who you associate with, and what you do. I am sure an actuary (risk assessment) would be able to determine when the lightning rod beanie would make more sense than a firearm, i.e., if one lives in Memphis, it would probably be prudent to CCW a bazooka.
I was picking up some wings and this guy walked in. Open Carrying. A Hi-Point. In a nylon holster. Without a magazine in it. Gangsta.
“The likelihood of being a victim of a violent crime is very dependent on where you live, where you go, who you associate with, and what you do. I am sure an actuary (risk assessment) would be able to determine when the lightning rod beanie would make more sense than a firearm, i.e., if one lives in Memphis, it would probably be prudent to CCW a bazooka.”
Now Memphis has it’s good points; My Dad was typical Chicago ‘confiscate all the guns and crime will disappear’ until he was transferred to Memphis. Last time I visited as soon as we unpacked he took me to Rangemasters. Thanks Memphis!
> I’m a gun snob… mea culpa.
Back in 2005, John Ross — the author of Unintended Consequences — wrote a column called Why Do People Buy These Things? or, JR, the Gun Snob :
I have decided there are three basic types of gunowners that come to my classes:
At the one end, there are the people who think like I do. These people would rather own one (or one hundred) good gun(s), with good balance, trigger, and accuracy, than two (or two hundred) mediocre guns. Whether they have $200 or $200,000 in their bank account, they have S&W, SIG, Beretta, Walther, Glock, Kimber, H&K, CZ, Colt, or other quality guns in their range bag, and often several. (One of these guys brought an FN 5.7, which startled me a little. He was just as surprised when I pulled out mine…)
In the middle are the people who, I suspect, think of guns like they think of restaurants or cars: They’d never pay all that money for a steak at Morton’s or a Lexus sedan when Ponderosa and Saturn are serviceable. These folks show up with Taurus guns a lot. I think these people are mistaken about their priorities, and that guns are unlike food or cars and are more like real estate, but I understand their thinking even if I disagree with it.
It’s the third group that baffles me.
For some reason, a fair number of otherwise normal people who can obviously afford decent clothes and vehicles (not to mention another $200 for CCW training and permit) own some truly awful weapons.
Todd’s “Trust No One: An Insider’s Perspective” and “The Wrong Gun” are worth re-reading.
But a comment he made in reply to Tamara Keel’s “A Sad Commentary On The Industry…” is especially relevant here:
The generally accepted number in the gun industry, based on various surveys of gun-buyers over the years, is that on average, a handgun purchased in the United States will be fired less than 50 times. For every internet poster who own ten guns that have each been fired 1,000 times, there are dozens and dozens of people who walked into a gun shop, purchased a pistol and a box of ammo, and never once took that gun to a range. Those people, obviously, don’t read and post on forums and gun blogs.
Ask anyone who’s worked at a gun shop and I guarantee they’ve had customers complain about having to buy A WHOLE BOX of ammo when the gun only holds 15 (or 8, or whatever).
When I worked at SIG, there was serious discussion about producing a pistol that came PRE LOADED with 15rd in a non-removable mag. The gun could be made of very cheap material because it only had to survive 15 rounds of fire. It was rejected on technical capability grounds, not because there would be a lack of demand.
11:43 PM, January 19, 2011