Hate me all you want, I think it looks neat. Whether it serves any purpose or not I can’t say, but at least on paper it creates a low recoil, short barrel, optic-ready weapon. Hard to mount a flashlight, however, which could be a deal breaker.
You’ll note that the shooter in the main picture either isn’t using the forward hand stop for his weak hand, or that was a last minute development made after the photo was taken. I’m not quite sure why you’d put Picatinny rails on the sides of the forward grip, either, since obviously anything you mount there will interfere with holding the gun.
H/T to F-Trooper for his post on the forum.
Train hard & stay safe! ToddG
(photo courtesy soldiersystems.net)
I think it’s neat too, but unfortunately the most useful aspect IMO (the folding stock) would require the extra time and expense of the NFA registration.
I hear the Enpire is doing a big purchase for the Storm Troopers.
At least it’s more versatile than the model-specific carbine kits I’ve seen, which basically do the same thing but need to be installed.
J.Ja
Technical note of interest: it works with the Sig P250 as demonstrated. So that means I could get my serialized trigger part designated an NFA item and then…well, I don’t even know what I’d do then with it. But it’s neat to think about.
The picatinny rails on the hand grip are designed to work in-conjunction with their soon to be released “Titanium Rainbow Tactical Picatinny Glove Interface” system.
Might be fun with a G18!
Silly Sig! What will you think of next? Shouldn’t this sort of nonsense be relegated to Taurus?
x2 on the star wars comment first thing I thought of.
How does one manually cycle the slide?
Includes charging handle. Look closely at pics.
The fact that it’s for the P250 is the deal breaker for me.
It’s not just for the P250. It will work with most firearms that have a 1913 rail on the front for a light; including current productions Sigs, Glocks, XDs and M&P autos.
If you use an Aimpoint with a high mount, you can probably run an X300 on the rail in front of it and not lose your sight picture. Run a tape switch down to someplace convenient and sham-WOW, its a light.
Forgive my newb-ness… what advantage, if any, does this offer over a normal pistol? With the collapsable stock I could see a point, but when you can already put a light/laser/red dot on your pistol without making it big and unwieldy…? I’m just confused.
It looks like the CAA Roni G1 for the Glock. I CAA make one for the Sig too. The Roni looks COOL!! I think the Roni G1 looks better then the Sig one in the picture.
So if I can find a retention holster, this will add no penalties to the FAST drill, correct?
So the “enhanced” gets you their craptastic red dot and a one point sling. Maybe the 250 isn’t a hunk of crap after all… it was just meant for this?
Oh, and where can I order my SERPA for this sweet rig?!?!?
I want the wire stock version for sniper shots at 500 meters just like in Modern Warfare!
Wow..how the mighty have fallen.
Todd??? um April is still a few months off dude.
sorry not a fan of taking a pistol and sticking it in a stock. Just buy a carbine or an MP5. seriously stupid idea.
although I bet my buddies in the firearms film industry are laughing their balls off right now. Seeing as how they’ve been doing this for years with all pistol brands.
Call me silly, but I’ve always thought these sort of setups were an interesting idea. I think the stock (along with a good optic) make a pistol a very effective long range tool. Mission always drives the gear, so if your mission is to have a very compact mini-carbine set-up with ammo and magazine compatability with an existing sidearm this could be the ticket.
Excuse an old(er) guy’s comment, but that’s a 24 carat, gold plated abortion.
By the time Officer Friendly could assemble this abortion onto his pistol, Active Shooter Man will have finished what he was doing and suck-started his Glock.
Unless they buy a second set of pistols which they keep permanently mounted into these things, at which point you may have just as well bought the patrol carbines you should have bought in the first place.
The most popular version will be the mid-grade “Tactical” one, that comes with the sling swivel and crappy SIG chicom red dot. It will appeal to the Call Of Duty crowd that doesn’t want to mess with Form 4’s and tax stamps. The kind of people who buy the DSA B&T pistols and semiauto Micro Uzis.
IMO this is an excelent idea. Especialy for us in Greece it is the only way to own something that looks like a submachine gun…
Sig has jumped the shark…thanks Mr. Cohen.
what has this world come too? other than the technical aspect of creating this, as noted above “24 carat gold plated abortion,” this thing serves no purpose I can think or?
on a side note, I don’t recall that clip from Naked Gun 2? funny though
I find this product to be rather redundant. If one doesn’t mount a buttstock and instead exploits the optic mounting capabilities, Sig already has a product for that: http://wiki-images.enotes.com/thumb/f/f8/Mosquito-SIG-p1030052.jpg/300px-Mosquito-SIG-p1030052.jpg
It seems to be a less bulky and lighter solution, yet it had a negative reception from Todd.
I think both of these “solutions” are ridiculous though.
The rails on the forward grip are so you can add a Tango Down VFG to it and go Gangsta!
“The rails on the forward grip are so you can add a Tango Down VFG to it and go Gangsta!
By JohnR on Jan 12, 2012”
Just be sure you have an AOW stamp if you aren’t a gangsta.
I can’t think of a use for this particular thing, but I do think it shows that the NFA is putting a real crimp on the useful evolution of firearms for no particularly good purposes.
Small, light, low recoil carbines based on pistol designs could be very useful weapons that would require much less training than conventional pistols. Look at what the Irish rebels were able to do during the Easter rising of 1916 with broomhandle mausers with attachable buttstocks. But the NFA makes it a practical impossibilty for manufacturers to experiment with such designs since they can’t include the most significant part–the stock.
I have to give SIG credit for trying, but the design was necessarily gutted from the start by the NFA. Maybe one day someone in power will look at that statute and ask “exactly why are pistols with buttstocks subject to licensing and taxation?” Until then we will see successive also-ran designs that sell very few units.
SteveJ,
“Maybe one day someone in power will look at that statute and ask “exactly why are pistols with buttstocks subject to licensing and taxation?””
The NFA’s OAL requirements, as well as the “SBR” and “SBS” regs, make no sense unless you realize that the bill originally included all handguns, too. It was designed to cover all concealable firearms.
Tam:
In other words, the collective IQ of Congress in 1934 was no greater than its collective IQ 78 years later. You have to wonder, what would these people do if they had to work for a living?