As an instructor, I strive to be a good student. Good students are always learning. And last week in Canada, I learned that CZ pistols (pronounced “see zed” in Canadiese) are as reliable as a Ford.
A Ford Pinto, that is.
There were four CZ75-pattern guns (one Tangfolio and three genuine CZs) used by three different students over the course of the week, and every one of them had reliability problems.
The owners were great students and never let the pistol problems interfere with the class. They had fantastic attitudes and shot very well when their guns worked. But from failures to feed to failures to extract to failures to eject to failures to lock back to premature lock back, we saw the whole spectrum of handgun malfunctions from those guns.
The Glocks in the class didn’t have any consistent problems. Even the two S&W 3rd Generation pistols ran well except for some grip and lubrication hiccups. In fact, the only gun that had more problems was a used, second-hand Para P14.45, and who is surprised by that?
CZ pistols are both popular and successful in the world competition arena. They’re also very common among various militaries throughout the globe. But here in the U.S., they’ve never really earned a serious share of the market. They have a reputation for reliability and durability problems. And after four straight days of watching them choke, I’d say it’s a well deserved reputation.
In fairness, one student got his gun working 100% on day four after replacing the extractor spring. The pistol had a little under 14,000 rounds through it when the troubles began. If that had been the only CZ that suffered such trouble during the classes, it would be excusable. But all four?
The CZ is a shootable gun. The CZ Shadow I shot had an excellent trigger and was accurate enough for me to hit an 8″ range marker at 100yd. The owner (class host Rob Engh) reports that he’s easily averaging 0.17 splits and on some drills turning in 0.14 and even 0.13 splits with that same pistol!
Nonetheless, if a gun can’t be depended upon to go bang when the trigger is pressed, it’s a paperweight. Speed and accuracy mean a lot less when you’re prying a stuck case out from underneath an extractor claw.
I’m sure there will be CZ fans who will talk about their personally owned guns that have gone x-number of rounds without a problem. And I don’t doubt it. But when put to the test under the stress of a high volume shooting class, these guns simply couldn’t make it. Not one, not two, but all four.
Zed is not your friend.
Train hard & stay safe! ToddG
What a shame.
“But when put to the test under the stress of a high volume shooting class, these guns simply couldn’t make it.”
Until I actually went through a high volume class, I really couldn’t fully appreciate the finer points of distinction between my CZ and a more modern polymer pistol (M&P-9).
When I first met Todd, I was at a crossroads with my Pre-B CZ. Spend a lot of money to renovate the pistol to a modern CCW standard or switch to the M&P9. After working on the basics of grip, draw, press-out, sight lift, and reloading, I began to appreciate the benefits of the PTC M&P over the 22 yr old CZ and I saved some big bucks in the process. I haven’t sold my Pre-B, mainly due to nostalgia. The more I shoot the M&P, the harder it is to justify holding onto the CZ. Is the CZ accurate? Yes. Are the ergos good? Absolutely (with the exception of the thumb safety and sharp mag floor plates for me). Are there a lot of springs and small parts? Yup and why I need to have it completely overhauled after 4000 rounds in 20 years before I would consider carrying it again. In the meantime, it sits in the safe while the M&P goes to the range and classes…
Todd, how many time have you heard the phrase “My gun’s never done THAT before!?!” while the student stares at a malfunction.
This is usually the same guy who’s range trips are comprised of 100 rounds max from a static position, slow fire.
But…
His keyboard has typed out 100 words a minute on the internet forums bragging about how reliable his pistol is.
😉
Another common thing that I love to remember is what LAV calls “Malfunction Amnesia.” The problems are especially prone with 1911s and AR15s, but definitely spread across all platforms..
Sean — Very true, and worthy of its own post one of these days. I had a good friend who used to shoot with me on occasion. One day at the range, he’d have two or three problems with his pistol. Three months later, he’d be talking about how that same pistol had never suffered a stoppage of any kind.
Just another reason why claims without documentation don’t mean a lot to me.
CZ is crap. CAN’T believe you’re just learning this. I’ve helped several friends get out of theirs (and other brands as well), and into what just plain works every time.
Been shooting Glock since ’86. I have NO experience with all this malfunction nonsense. There is no need for it. The pistol has evolved beyond that.
Granted, I only shoot about 10,000 rounds per year, but I have NEVER (no amnesia here!), NEVER had one single little itty bitty stoppage, breakage, malfunction, “failure to ….. whatever”,…. only “BANG”.
26 straight years and counting.
I’m just sayin….
(I surrender the soapbox. Thank You.)
Any similar reliability issues with CZ/Dan Wesson 1911 pistols?
DW 1911s: no more reliability issues than other 1911s. There have been issues with slide to frame fit being a little tight and without adequate lube of proper viscosity, people had the stainless galling to the point slides would lock. The Valors haven’t seem to have had any issues, my 2005 PM7 has not had any. I’ve only done the typical 1911 stuff of tweak extractor, muck with recoil spring rates. I will be honest and say that I’m not a high volume shooter, just like the skill required to shoot well. If you’re really interested, http://forums.1911forum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=52 there are there that do actually compete and are high volume.
Out of curiosity, were all the CZ the same model that failed or was it a mix?
Mine was the pistol that was at 14,000 rounds before it started to puke. I should’ve just dealt with it then, but being in Czech, in the middle of the match, I didn’t want to totally mess with the gun. Then when I got home I started to think it was just a fluke. Until the classes started. Again, I should’ve taken a harder look at the gun, but was more focused on the class. It wasn’t until the last day that I swapped out the extractor spring and it ran normally again. I am going to clean it this week sometime (it’s been a few thousand since it was cleaned last). And then do another 2000 round test. If it fails that, I’ll be looking to swap to a new gun for competition. And that’s something that’s key here. This is my match gun, not a gun I would carry. For that I have my G19 if I ever get the right to carry it. In Europe you’ll see far more Shadows than Glocks at IPSC matches, far far more. Why? Well maybe that 21 round mag helped for awhile, we’ll see now that we are stuck at 15 rounds in Production Div, if the Glock is resurrected, but I have my doubts it’s going to happen. The beautiful DA/SA combo in this gun is hard to compare to anything else on the market. So long as one follows a proper maintenance schedule they shouldn’t have any issues with their gun.
But I’d still carry a G19……
I’m just regular shooter/competitor [IDPA,USPSA]. I don’t do a lot of short time frame,high volume shooting because it’s just to expensive. The highest volume I’ve ever done in a short time was 800 rounds in 5 hours followed the next day by 200 in a match. This with a CZ 75 and poly coated lead reloads, no cleaning. The gun ran 100%. No failures attributed to the pistol all these years save for a worn sear [the gun is a ’91manufacture]. I do keep spare parts for it and it would not surprise me if something did break, it does have a lot of parts. I have seen Glocks, HK’s and countless 1911’s fail. I now carry and compete with a G17. But the CZ remains due to it’s sheer shoot-ability.
Todd you forgot Mikes Glock 22 that had numerous stoppages and needed a new slide stop and slide stop spring. Plus Petes Glock 22 that had those mags that would not drop free. Though to be fair those were dedicated training mags and had seen tens of thousands of rounds through them and were swollen just a bit.
Then there was RH’s Glock (23 or Gen 4 22?) that he managed to get his finger stuck under the trigger. I still have no idea how that happened.
Didn’t know about the slide stop spring change. Otherwise, the only problems I saw were shooter/ammo induced or the result of obvious beat up training mags. Given that Glocks outnumbered CZ’s 3:1, the difference was pretty notable.
Okay Todd, I’ll bite… I’m the guy with the good CZ experience with “x-number of rounds without a problem.” I’ve owned two CZs with a combined round count of around 5000. No failures that could not be attributed to bad reloads or cheap magazines. Once, I went 1500 rounds without cleaning my P01 with no problems. I realize that’s not a ton of rounds compared to what a lot of guys here shoot, but that’s plenty good enough evidence for me. Do I have to do my own pistol torture test before I can consider my CZ “reliable”? How many failures do you have to witness from a given brand before they are all considered “unreliable”?
Todd’s observations from the 4 days certainly did show at the very least a common issue. Feeding and extraction. And when its all 4 that are present, it makes for a convincing argument that they suck.
Hopefully I’ll get some more info on the other guns to see if I can get some reasoning behind their failures. I was lucky for the real heavy shooting I was using factory ammo (one squib from it too, Winchester white box 124gr stuff) so I can rule out ammo as any cause of my problems. The others however were using reloads and its quite possible that caused problems above and beyond mechanical issues with the gun. We saw similar with the G20 and bad reloads. Thankfully someone had that spare G20 with the .40 barrel in it and the local PD had spare .40 ammo for him.
Chris — nothing says your CZ’s are unreliable. It’s simply a matter of odds. I see a far higher percentage of CZ’s failing than Glocks, HKs, etc.
I’m sorry but I have to chime in on this.
A firearm is a man-made machine. All machines will fail if not properly maintained. This should be a known fact to anyone that owns and uses firearms. You should clean and properly lubricate your firearm after every session and or day. If you do not put oil in your vehicle and the engine locks up, are you going to claim said vehicle manufacture “sucks” at building a engine? No, this is the owners fault.
Semiautomatic pistols should have a spring over-haul every 3,500-5,000 rounds. The CZ75 platform is a proven solid design. A little known fact is that European springs are very weak, including the ones in a stock CZ. Wolf brand springs are US made and will last much longer than the European springs.
Yes I own a CZ, I prefer a solid steel firearm. Granted I actually take care of my firearms with proper maintenance, I have never had a “hiccup” in about 2,500 rounds using OEM magazines. I bought the 32 round Promag magazine for it because I thought it would be fun to load $10 of 9mm into a magazine and shoot it off in seconds. The Promag brand has proven to be obsolete in CZ’s. After 3 FTF’s I threw it into the lake.
I will argue that the CZ problems you guys came across were due to using poorly made Promag magazines and/or not properly maintaining your firearms. Before you attack a manufacturer you should look at your students, the equipment they use and how they do/don’t maintain their machines.
The CZ 75 is the most used pistol in the world. Over 60 countries use it as the standard side arm of their Armies, National police forces, National security agencies or other Law enforcement organizations. No other pistol can make this claim.
I think the folks from Glock would argue the suggestion that CZ is the most popular handgun in government service worldwide.
No disagreement that maintenance, etc., plays a role. But under the same conditions, all those other brands seem to run, whereas the CZs did not. It’s a stretch to think that somehow the CZs were also coincidentally the only guns being imperfectly maintained.
Gotta agree with Todd on this. So now I’m going to lobby CZ to get him to do a 50,000 round test on one of their guns.
I come from Bosnia Todd, you already know me form M4carbine.net. A have a friend who is a special police officers (something like SWAT) here in Bosnia. When they went with Glocks (First Glock 19s and then Glock17s) as their standard issued firearms about ten years ago, they were using some very old 9mm FMJ ammo which hade very hard primers. Their Glocks had problems igniting these rounds; they tried them in their CZ85Bs and not even a failure! I myself did try to fire I think only 4 of these rounds through my third generation Glock 19 which by the way had a very strong firing pin spring. All rounds went off without any problem. After this little incident his boss went with the CZ85B, and shortly after my friend replaced his issued Glock 17 with a CZ85B which he still carries. They train I think every week, and I occasionally call him and ask how’s the CZ and he always replies, no problem, the best pistol I have ever had!
Also, I can ensure you that I can make any Glock 9mm (don’t get me wrong I really, really like Glocks, and trust them with my life!) jam just by holding it with my thumb and trigger finger, every time. I tried this with my personal Glock 19 and also a G19 from one of my friends.
Also, even though I have nothing against polymer frame pistols just know that if you scratch them by dropping them you can not refinish them like steel frame pistols.
I’d like to see a CZ torture test! Maybe I’ll do some sand torture testing with my CZ85B after a few days!
Rob E,
The CZ P-01 is a NATO firearm, meaning it has passed all NATO stress test. It is the compact design of the 75. http://cz-usa.com/press-releases/102/
Used aluminum ammo by any chance?
Guys, the simple facts are that the 4 CZs on the course, all 4 of them, failed, repeatedly. And while the Glocks did fare better, it’s hard to argue with 4 guns of the same design, having massive issues through the course, and mine was one of them. I like the gun, but it’s for competition only, perhaps a regular 75 or 85 that isn’t tuned up (not that I’ve done anything to mine other than spiffy factory parts), it’s still not quite the same as a regular 75.
I’m kind of shocked to see this post pop up in my RSS reader.
Four pistols seems like a lot in a class of what 20? 30? 40? students but 4 pistols across the whole number of pistols out there isn’t exactly a large enough sample size to make an accurate statistic.
While I can understand that it would make you personally wary of using a CZ I think that it’s still a bit premature to declare the whole of CZ handguns to be crap.
I thought you would have understood that. It’s no worse than those people that will declare their gun to be extremely reliable after having only shot 400 rounds though it.
foolishly bought a CZ 40 cal without doing a search
and discover real fast that it couldn’t/wouldn’t feed/extract/eject reliably (60+ failures/100 rnds…)
checked the website and found complaints about the 40 cal going back to the creation…
CZ’s known about the problems for years and done f’all about it…
i will never buy another CZ product, i canceled my order for the LH DG rifle and the LH 22 sporter they make…
i’m still pissed over a year later….
returned it to the distributor and bought an H&K instead, absolutely perfect in every way from nib…
Jesse — Four guns out of 17 students.
Your “only 400 rounds” analogy is unfair. Go back and look at that discussion. You most certainly can determine that a gun is unreliable in 400 rounds. What is silly is folks who declare the model or brand “flawless” after 400 rounds.
These aren’t the first CZs I’ve seen struggle in a class. The CZ is almost completely absent in U.S. shooting sports. It’s almost completely absent in U.S. law enforcement. And while the company likes to brag about how many countries use its product, a list of those countries probably wouldn’t impress most of us as being the world superpowers.
As I said in the original post and reiterated to Chris, I’m not suggesting that every CZ ever made is junk. But I see literally thousands of shooters per year between teaching, training, and practice, and some guns are clearly more prone to problems than others.
If you follow the link Jeremy provided, even CZ’s claim is merely that the gun meets some unidentified “NATO standard” of 99.8% reliability. That’s 500 rounds between stoppages. That’s 100 stoppages in a 50,000 round test. I wouldn’t consider that a standard upon which to hang my pistol’s reputation.
Thank you for sharing your experiences to both Todd and the CZ-owners. And sorry for the arrogant non-CZ owners who claim perfection.
EVERY pistol model has had malfunctions (INCLUDING Glock) whether bad ammo, bad mags, worn out parts, or the odd “made it through QA jam-monster”. Yes, some models generally malfunction more than others. And some models are more reliable for some people. (Know someone that “ride’s the slide lock”?) It’s like my wife and electronics: none of them work well for her, but always work perfect for me.
So next time you forget to change the worn out springs in your -perfect- pistol and it malfunctions, don’t get amnesia and say it has never malfunctioned. Just chalk it up to being a machine. The less you proclaim perfection the less crow you have to eat when it happens.
Out of curiosity, have you seen many older designs work alright in your classes? Like 1911s, high-end or otherwise?
ZK — I’ve seen a few 1911s come through class without stoppages. They have been owned and operated by guys who truly understood the 1911 and its idiosyncrasies, and who knew how to tune their guns themselves. I’ve seen far more 1911s have problems, sometimes very serious consistent problems, over the years.
The issue with the 1911 is that a million people will tell you that a 1911 will run right if it’s set up right, but then you’ll get 1,000,000 different opinions on what “set up right” means.
i have owned a Pre-B 75 for almost 2 decades and ran about 30k rounds through it, i have had all of 3 failures due to the weapon itself.
2 recoil springs first one got too weak to reliably work the action the second aftermarket snapped in half after 5k round and was replaced with a factory spring, no issues since with that.
third failure was the slide stop pin sheared off around the 27k round mark, replace with a NOS part, i expect to get another 25k rounds out of it before it goes again.
all 3 were remedied in less than 5 minutes.
it is the most ergonomic gun i have ever owned, the most accurate handgun I’ve ever owned and the most reliable I’ve ever owned.
It is my daily carry gun.
now the design is needlessly complicated and some parts would be a nightmare to find if they were ever to break.
original magazines can be difficult to find and expensive to purchase when you finally do find them. but the factory 16 rounders with without issue in the Pre-B and can be purchased easily from CZ-USA.
You need to get a CZ and test it yourself. You have no idea of the background of these failed guns at the class. There are too many CZs being used world wide for me to believe that they are mostly lemons.
Guys, I’m happy to hear more stories from folks who’ve had great success with their CZs. That’s useful information and if it goes contrary to my experience, I’ve got no problem with that.
Ken — I understand what you’re saying, but again it’s apples to apples. I see a lot of guns. I don’t need to own a Para to know that every Para I see has problems. I don’t need to own a Hi-Point or Lorcin, either. When I see enough students have enough consistent problems, it’s just wishful thinking to believe that they happen to be coincidentally the most irresponsible shooters in terms of maintenance, etc.
The fact that CZs are in use around the world just isn’t impressive to me. How much experience do you have in the sidearm military procurement of foreign countries? I’ve been involved in enough to know that (a) their standards of performance are usually far less than the typical American hobbyist’s, and (b) there is usually a lot more than pistol performance determining selection.
Here’s a homework assignment for someone with the desire: How many of the countries represented by the G20 issue CZs to their militaries? How many issue Glock, HK, and Beretta?
@Todd
South Africa – Domestically produced Vectors
Canada – Browning Hi-Power + Sig P226
Mexico – .40, seems reports of Beretta, Glock, and HK
USA – Beretta
Argentina – BHP
Brazil – Taurus 92
China – varies, from old Tokarevs to new domestically produced designs
Japan – can’t find a solid answer, looks like either Sig P226 or HK USP
South Korea – domestically produced Daewoo, looks like Model K5
India – looks like Glock
Indonesia – Glock
Saudi Arabia – ? couldn’t find any info
Russia – looks like there may be a range, MP-443 seems current
Turkey – domestically produced CZ clone
France – Beretta
Germany – USP9 variant
Italy – Beretta
UK – BHP, some P226s in use
Australia – Glocks, some USPs
A lot of this was pulled from this thread
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=365488
Looks like the answer to your question is: Turkey.
Everybody has their favorite gun. Until last weekend, my PF9 was my carry gun of choice, until I broke it. I’ve picked up another because nothing else has the same level of conceal-ability in a 9mm. I average about 200 rounds in a range session which last about an hour. That’s way more than I could ever shoot in a self defense situation and it’s also about the limit of my endurance working with such a small pistol. Is it high volume by your measure? No. Would I bring it as my only pistol to your class? No. I will say that no pistol I’ve ever shot feels better in my hand than a CZ. Although the Beretta comes close.
commandar — Wow, dude! Awesome work.
I like CZ’s, but IMO more parts equals more drama, and just like 1911’s they love lube in order to run and once the start to dry out they let you know by turning themselves into something about as useful as a rock…
FWIW, I love the Tanfoglio Witness Match Elite’s which is CZ-patterned (with a lot less parts that a Glock guy can kitchen-table gunsmith on…), I’d take an Witness Match over any expensive 1911 to be honest… That said, if I treated one like I do my G17 it’d break once a month.
I used to hate Glocks until I started shooting a lot and paying more attention to the Indian instead of the arrow, even M&P’s seem iffy to me as I’ve had 4 broken strikers and know 4 or more guys who’ve broken strikers as well, Glocks are not the best feeling guns out there but when all is said and done I want my firearm to go bang and they do that almost every single time. Sometimes less is more as they say…
BTW, not trying to be some Glock superfan or anything with my above post, just think for a lot of the high-volume shooting discussed on this site, when you’re working at getting better, a nice gun that messes up and starts to slow you down starts to seem not so nice quick… and if it’s also an SD gun it could be worse.
Shooting a gun often enough to where they truly become just a tool will show you things, and what’s ugly but doesn’t break, can start to look pretty darn good.
Time spent training on a questionable format seems kind of pointless and annoying IMO since you can’t get that time back, doesn’t make them not nice guns that shoot great, but if there was a gun that was even more reliable that I could beat on even worse, had like 5-10 parts, maybe decent ergos and good sights, maybe even uglier… I’d want one.
I had several CZs at one point (imagine that); I was carrying 1911s primarily at the time and wanted a 9mm with the same manual of arms.
They were very ergonomic and shot well for the basic range sessions that I had with them but they were never ran hard. Todd is not the first instructor that I’ve seen comment on their fraility and problems encountered during classes.
What finally pushed me over the top and caused me to liquidate my collection was the slide inside the frame. For me there was very little slide available to use during manipulations, I had a difficult time performing malfunction clearances because I was wrapping my hand all the way over the slide and onto the frame. I had to stop and readjust and try to get my stubby little fingers on the thin slide. It was a recipe for disaster if I ever had to really perform a clearance so I sold them.
CZ Shadow – many use them for IPSC practical shooting and you have to do some tinkering with them:
1. ejector hit the emty on the lower part = amty have a upwards trajetory. Angel the ejector with a file so the emty hits the upper part of ejektor, and might angel a bit backwards on right side of ejector.
2. On the slide, where it slides on topp of rounds in the mags, this surface needs to smothed with a arcansas stone and oil. If not it drags round nr 2 forward in mag = you cant drop mags or round to collide with emty.
3. Extraktor. lot of different problems, spring weight, ruff surface, sharp corners = round stopp on its way bihind extraktor. Most IPSC guns have changed springs to 11 pund recoil spring and 15 pund main spring.
4. mag catch protrudes in mag channel when fully pressed = catches mag on its way out. Remedy with bending right mag catch spring legg.
When these changes i done it work but bring some slide stopps with you. I’we sold mine.
CZ has never landed a major US police department contract. That should be the end of the story right there.
You might have mentioned in your unbiased report that all the CZ were using reloaded ammo while the Glocks were firng factory.
Take Care
Bob
I also read where one student had a CZ85 Combat and had no problems with his CZ. You didn’t mention that Todd in your article either.
Take Care
Bob
All 4 guns had problems, I witnessed that. Whether it was strictly gun or operator induced I can’t comment on. But all had issues one way or another.
Oh and two of the Glocks used reloads, at least sort of. There was a G20 with a .40 S&W barrel that had reloads through it, and a G20 in 10mm that had reloads put through it. The .40 cal one had no issues that I can recall. the 10mm had numerous problems the second day all related to bad reloads (squibs).
the cop guns in .40 had issues related to the mmags (first two days of shooting, old worn out mmags), one of the others needed a slide catch rreplacement, along wtih the spring and something else, it functioned 100% after that.
As far as I can recall the other Glocks ran fine.
The only way to settle this is to get a CZ75, 10 thousands rounds, and go to work. I’ll pledge $20.
Bob — I think this falls under the heading of I was there, and you weren’t. As Rob said, all four of the CZ pattern guns that I saw in class suffered one problem or other. Also, at least one of the Glock shooters was using reloads, and at least one of the CZ shooters was using factory ammo.
If you snuck onto our range when no one was looking to do a gear survey, you should have signed the guest waiver for liability purposes, by the way. 8)
I own a Tanfoglio, which is a CZ clone.
I like that pistol very much, the ergonomy is great, it’s a piece of solid steel and it looks great.
I also own a HK P30.
It doesn’t look so fine as Tanfoglio. I don’t like polymer handguns as much as I like the whole-steel ones.
I shoot more than 5,000 rounds since last summer through my HK P30 and I witnessed only one malfunction (my girlfirend’s weak grip).
I shoot ca. 1500 rounds through my Tanfoglio in last 4 months. I had numerous malfunctions, mostly FTF. Numerous means more than 30.
That being said, both guns are new and properly maintained.
The bottom line is that as much as I like my Tanfoglio, I can’t trust it. It’s great for the range, but you can’t put your life on it.
You have to realize, that while every gun is able to fail, there are some designs that are more reliable than others … for example Glocks, HKs.
On the other hand some designs are said to be more accurate than others, like for example CZ, thanks to slide inside the frame. But it comes at a price of reliability.
And Todd, with his great experience, knows what he says – CZ is not the most reliable handgun in the world.
Here’s the list of the G20 Todd:
South Africa: Vektor SP1 (locally produced copy of Beretta 92F)
Canada: SIG Sauer P226
Mexico: Beretta 92
United States: Beretta 92/SIG Sauer P226/SIG Sauer P228//SIG Sauer P229
Argentina: Browning Hi-Power
Brazil: Beretta 92?
China: QSZ-92
Japan: SIG Sauer P220
South Korea: Daewoo DP-51 / K5
India: Beretta 92/SIG Sauer P226
Indonesia: Beretta 92
Saudi Arabia: ????
Russia: MP-443 Grach
Turkey: Beretta 92/CZ-75/SIG Sauer P226
France: Beretta 92
Germany: Heckler & Koch USP
Italy: Beretta 92
United Kingdom: SIG Sauer P226
Australia: Browning Hi-Power
Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_pistol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weaponry_of_the_Australian_Army
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_equipment_and_uniform_of_the_Turkish_Army
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIG_P226
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beretta_92
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1911_pistol
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg47-e.htm
Look around the web and you’ll see less than kind words and failures with the new Gen 4 Glock. Not excusing CZ 75B but no manufacturer is infallib le.
The CZ is also an old school service pistol design and the original intent of the design wasn’t for IPSC.
Regardless, it is an accurate, recreational target pistol with ergonomics that beats many others in its price range and class.
If 100% reliability was the goal then most of the out-of-the-box 1911’s should be put in the trash piles too…ditto for any combat SMG that can’t match an AK-47. Do you see the silly argument?
…also, the 4 failed CZ’s are undeniable but 4 pistols hardly constitute statistical validity. Ask any statistician if you can make any claims with an n=4 sample size and they’ll roll their eyes. If one is expressing an opinion then, yeah, it doesn’t look good but one can hardly draw a conclusion based on it.
Does anyone else find it ironic that we flock to this site to see Todd’s results on shooting 1 gun for 50,000 rounds. And that many will use those results to determine a guns worthiness. But when he makes a comment based on four guns in a class he’s suddenly showing a bias?