The P30SK

As most of you know, we like full-size guns here at Pistol-Training.com. And why wouldn’t we? They shoot better and we shoot better with them. Since the point of shooting is hitting, I’ll take all the advantages I can get. They say you can’t buy performance, but that’s not true. If you carry and shoot a compact handgun, buying the full-size version will let you shoot better. I know all sorts of people who say they shoot compacts “just as well”, or “well enough that it doesn’t matter.” I am unaware of any national competitions being won with compact guns when a full-size gun is allowed under the rules of the game.

What it comes down to is that people don’t like to carry full-size guns. Sometimes that is just laziness, and sometimes it is simply not possible to carry a bigger gun. Though I carry a full-size weapon concealed every day, that doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate a smaller gun from time to time. There are times when a compact gun is called for, and situations where the pure shootability of the gun is not a part of the equation. Relatively small differences in shootability do not decide basic self-defense outcomes. Enter the P30SK.

Mine is the light LEM version, with no modifications or customization. It shoots great but carries even better. If I carry a full size normally, what possible use could I have for the sub-compact SK? Don’t laugh, but it is my “pajama gun.” Now, don’t misunderstand. I don’t carry this gun while I’m asleep in my pajamas. As I said, I carry a full size. That’s a joke, in case you weren’t paying attention. No, I don’t sleep with a gun on, but if I am lounging around the house, I don’t wear my street clothes. I usually wear some sweatpants or pajama-type pants with a drawstring.

For many years, I have carried a J frame in that role. I’ve used LCPs, S&W 380 Bodyguards, and even a belt to carry my full-size gun and concealment holster. Since jumping on the HK double action bandwagon for most of my needs, the SK seemed like a logical addition. I was able to shoot one at the Tom Givens Rangemaster class I took earlier this year. A fellow student and HK double action enthusiast was carrying one and graciously let me shoot it on a break. It was excellent and so I added one to the armory a little later this year.

My sample came with a 15-round magazine and a 13-round magazine but as far as I can tell, they’re the same length. I then bought a 10-round mag to better compare it to my old standby backup gun, the Glock 26. Around the house, I keep the 13-round mag in the gun, but if I were carrying this gun as a backup to my duty gun, the 10-round mag would very possibly get the nod, simply based on available real estate and how I prefer to carry a backup gun.

My holster of choice for PJ duty is my original AIWB holster design, executed very well by Tony at JMCustom Kydex. The original version of this holster called the Shaggy, is no longer in production as Custom Carry Concepts closed up a few years ago and JMCustom now makes the best version of it. I specified the DCC Monoblock, which clips over my drawstring pants and holds nicely under all sorts of adverse tactical circumstances I find myself in at home. That clip was not an option on the original Shaggy. Though slightly heavier than my usual airweight J frame or Agent, it is a much more shootable gun, with many more chances for excellence in marksmanship on board. Since it feels and handles very much like my favored P30L, I think it will remain my PJ gun of choice for some time to come.

Until this week, I had only actually shot the gun in one session on the range, shortly after getting it. I vetted my carry ammo and sight regulation, and after a short session, felt that I knew the gun well enough to carry it around the house.

January 1st, I took it out for some nice cold-weather shooting fun. I wore PIG gloves for much of it but also shot without them. This little gun can shoot! Maybe I was wrong and someone can shoot it better than the bigger gun, I don’t know. I was pulling splits just a hair slower than my bigger P30s, and the accuracy for such a short radius, iron sight gun is just excellent. It might be time to send one of these off to LTT for an RDS and see what I can do with it.

One of the key points is that I don’t shoot LEM, and have very little trigger time with one. It is a different pull than I am used to but it is every bit as shootable for me as a DA/SA. It also didn’t take me any rounds to acclimate to it. Pick up gun, pull trigger, that’s about as complex as it gets. With the Blaser aluminum that shot so well for me at Justin Dyal’s class last year, the SK also excelled, even with the previously mentioned short sight radius. As before, Ammoman.com was gracious enough to send some ammo out for training purposes.

Many people before me have extolled the virtues of the LEM as a street trigger for cops or civilians. I certainly agree with that. Other people think the LEM is sub-par for performance shooting. I can’t agree with that. I may have to shoot a P30L LEM in competition this year and see how it does.

18 comments

  1. many things here in your article I have no experience with, I had to google what LEM trigger was, so I will digress to my thoughts on another article topic that this one triggered (pun intended), an article on shooting gloves. I have never been comfortable attempting to shoot with gloves, always feel like I have lost 60% of my ability with gloves. I need to clarify that my go to handguns have always been S&W revolvers and 1911’s, have only gotten an M&P 2.0 in the past 4 years, and I ordered an Apex trigger for it before I order the .40

  2. Shooting with gloves definitely takes some work. I don’t do as much of it as I used to, but having lived in them for many years for work, I seem to be able to pick right up again. I use PIG gloves from SKD Tactical. Best shooting gloves ever made.

  3. Does your holster of choice for PJ duty have a wedge? If so, which one?

    1. I don’t use a wedge for the PJ holster in this case. I bought the JM specifically for this use and since true concealment is not needed, it works very well without the wedge. If I was using this holster to pull double duty for regular carry and PJ, then it would have a wedge.

  4. Its a very shootable gun, no doubt, but I will admit that I could tell that I was less familiar with it than a DA/SA. Its not something I can point to as an issue, but I need more time on the gun to get better with it. It just felt a little tense and “foggy” to me. I’m going to work with the LEM some more and see what happens.

  5. I have owned a P30V3 since 2012. I’ve always loved the reliability and accuracy has been impressive. TLG’s long term test was reaffirming that I bought the right platform. I picked up a SK V3 last year and sent both slides to LTT for optics cut, no trigger work. During slow fire accuracy testing the SK shoots tighter than the full size. Maybe because it’s new? At speed the full size is better because of more weight . I carry it with a Streamlight in a Werks IWB holster and vary the mag length based on clothing. I either carry a PX4 compact or P30SK since they have the same manual of arms, except the mag release. Great articles by the way.

    1. Thanks for reading and sharing your experience! I suspect your SK is more accurate due to the stiffer barrel (something long noted with the G26 compared to its bigger brothers). I am very tempted to get LTT to cut an SK for an optic, and maybe try their extralight trigger job as well, IDK. The PX4 is an excellent gun and I am testing a fullsize LTT version now, though it will be sometime before I’m ready to talk about it.

  6. ” I don’t carry this gun while I’m asleep in my pajamas. As I said, I carry a full size. That’s a joke, in case you weren’t paying attention.”

    Specifications for the P30 full size state that the barrel is 3.9″ long. Just sayin’…

      1. I think my response fell flat. You joked about carrying a full-size in your PJs, to which I replied with the P30 having a short barrel. Insert comment about “it’s not the length of the barrel, it’s how you shoot” reply…

        🙂

  7. hey SLG, we shot together in Missouri probably 8 years ago. I was shooting an Hk p2000 lem back then, carry one again today. The p2000 series, well most hks in general, are underrated now in a striker world. LEM itself, I believe, is a great everyday carry trigger that is safe and just as shootable as other trigger types, especially with the work that Ernest is doing. Cheers, good to see you are doing well.

    1. Thanks for stopping by, I certainly remember shooting with you. There are lots of good guns available but the HK’s, either DA/SA or LEM really seem to fit me well. Glad to hear you are still using yours. Let me know if you are around and we’ll hit the range again.

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